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Author:  Monsieur Royale [ Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:04 am ]
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Did Marie Therese ever meet them?

they were her cousins weren't they? :shock:

Author:  Therese [ Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:23 am ]
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No, M-T never met Hortense or any of the Bonaparte ladies. The only "Bonaparte" she knew was Napoleon's second wife, Empress Marie Louise, her first cousin once removed. She met Marie-Louise in Vienna in 1796.

Author:  Jules de Polignac [ Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:27 pm ]
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Did Marie Antoinette ever met Josephine? She was an aristocrat...

Author:  Therese [ Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:33 pm ]
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No, I don't think "Josephine," when she was Marie-Rose-Josephe Tasher de la Pagerie, Vicomtesse de Beauharnais, was ever presented at court. She very much wanted to be presented to the queen, but her mean husband would not take her to court. If he did, it was only once. But Josephine always admired Marie-Antoinette.

Author:  Arietta [ Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:09 pm ]
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Josephine/Rose's husand Alexandre had the honor of dancing of Versailles but I don't think she went to court. The Beauharnaises didn't rank high enough in the aristocratic hierarchy.

Author:  Therese [ Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:26 pm ]
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Yes, I think Alexandre even danced once with the queen. Rose/Josephine could still have been presented since her husband had been and maybe she was, but she did not spend any time at court.

Author:  Louis-Antoinette [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:08 am ]
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Why did the French have problems with the aristocrats? Even with Polignac it wasn't so much of her wealth they were concerned with but the fact that she was an aristocrat, am I right?

Author:  Louis-Charles [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:13 am ]
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People especially had problems with what the artistocrats represented : privileges and corruption (for some).
For them all the aristocrats were responsible for the problems of the country.
Marie-Antoinette was in first line and with the top of all these aristocrats, and thus the first aiming.
Polignac was shown to have benefitted from Marie-Antoinette for her personal fortune and that of her family, on the back of people.

Author:  Jules de Polignac [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:40 pm ]
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Arietta wrote:
Josephine/Rose's husand Alexandre had the honor of dancing of Versailles but I don't think she went to court. The Beauharnaises didn't rank high enough in the aristocratic hierarchy.


From wikipedia: «When hurricanes destroyed their estate in 1766, the family had financial problems. Edmée, Joséphine's paternal aunt, had been the mistress of François, vicomte de Beauharnais, a French aristocrat. When Francois' health began to fail, Edmée arranged the advantageous marriage of her niece Catherine-Désirée to François' son, Alexandre, Vicomte de Beauharnais. This marriage would be highly beneficial for the Tascher familiy, because it would keep the de Beauharnais money in their hands. However, 12-year-old Catherine died on October 16, 1777, before even leaving Martinique for France. In order to keep their aunt´s goals, Catherine was replaced by her older sister Joséphine.»

Yes, it seems that they weren't from an important noble family. Even the Beauharnais family seems to be from the lower nobility...

What did Josephine thougth about Marie Antoinette? When she was Empress she must had spoken about Antoinette...

Author:  Therese [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:44 pm ]
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Yes, Josephine thought that Marie-Antoinette haunted the Tuileries.

Alexandre de Beauharnais was presented at court, although he was from the lower nobility.

Author:  Arietta [ Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:24 pm ]
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Since we're getting into a discussion on Rose/Josephine, Sandra Gulland wrote a wonderful trilogy on her. Here's Gulland's website: http://www.sandragulland.com
It contains articles on Josephine and excerpts from her books.

Author:  Yolande [ Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:17 am ]
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http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3891/3891.txt
A site I found and where one can read Madame Campan's memoirs for free! Maybe this will help somebody.

Author:  melly [ Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:03 am ]
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Yolande wrote:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3891/3891.txt
A site I found and where one can read Madame Campan's memoirs for free! Maybe this will help somebody.


Hi,
Welcome to the board.
I have not read this book yet.

Author:  Pimprenelle [ Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:29 am ]
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Hi, Yolande ! You will feel happy, here ! Many people enjoy tlking about Madame de Polignac... to tell sweet words... :D

Author:  Louis-Charles [ Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:16 am ]
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What a beautiful avatar Yolande! :D

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