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As much as he was capable of, yes. He did show skill as a military commander, amazing!

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I've always been curious as to why he ended up the way he did? Was it his own will and refusal to be like his father?

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I think the problem was in Angouleme's upbringing. The Comtesse d'Artois was not a hands-on mother like Marie-Antoinette but left her children to be raised by the servants. It was a combination of indulgence and benign neglect. Angouleme had little self-confidence, except in military manners and no social skills whatsever.

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fascinating Therese!
I know very little about the Artois Family......

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Well, the problem was that Artois found his wife unloveable and pursued many other women until he finally settled down with Madame de Polastron. Berry chased women, too, although he really loved Amy Brown and was very fond of his wife Caroline of Naples. Caroline and Berry were kindred spirits, very fun-loving and artistic and a lot of chemistry. Berry and Angouleme both could be very tempermental, though!

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Families were so messy then! And what people let their sposues get away with lol. :shock:

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Yes, especially families in which the parents did not love each other or even like each other.

Here is a link to an article about Madame Royale on the "Tea at Trianon" blog.


http://teaattrianon.blogspot.com/2006/1 ... cence.html

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oh I love that picture of Marie Thérèse! that was a very interesting blog! Its very true though. What her and many others endured, it really is awful and it still bugs me that her and her family are passed off as people who got what they deserved. Perhaps thats why we here so little in history class about Madame Royale and her brother.

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That is why there is so much attention given to the lavish lifestyle at Versailles and the false implication that the queen's dress allowance brought on the Revolution. The dark side of the Revolution is ignored.

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Its True. When I first learned about the French Revolution in 6th grade, our history book statred off, with one page long description about the daily routine of Peasent and then one page long description about the routine of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette.
They conviently don't mention any of Louis XVI's reforms

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I think that the Marxist view of history as class conflict has become the standard approach taught to young people all over the world. It does not explain why the peasants of the Vendee rebelled against the Revolution.

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I don't think I even heard about the Peasent's of Vendee until I started doing my own research on the French Revolution. In fact a good majority of the atrocities that occured were ignored, except for the reign of terror.

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Looking back, I generally got an overview of the French Revolution in my history classes. When I got to college, there was a little more depth to it. Of course, what happened to Madame Royale and her brother was not in the textbook but something mentioned by the professor. One semester there was a class on the French Revolution but I took an American history class that I needed for my history major.
Glad I read this book and started a thread for it!


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We are glad you did, too, Arietta!

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From E.M. Vidal's blog:
http://teaattrianon.blogspot.com/2007/0 ... deaux.html

I thought I'd place it here since it's revelant to this thread.


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