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Carrolly Erickson's: "Hidden Diary"
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Author:  Therese [ Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:40 pm ]
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It's ok, Megan. I am delighted that you are seeking the facts.

Aurora, what makes it worse is that Erickson had written several biographies, so it gives more weight to what she writes in her novels. You would wonder why someone who had taken the trouble to write true history would want to invent characters and incidents. It makes me doubt her other books.

Author:  Pimprenelle [ Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:13 pm ]
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i knew that when i read it,i didn't know how much was real or not.

Novels can be better than biographies, sometimes. Erudite scholars could in fictional parts give room to their imaginations. If they do it a proper way, their novels are just jewels, using actual quotations among dialogues and referring to authentic people, places and events.

Trianon, by Elena-Maria Vidal and Les 76 jours de Marie Antoinette à la conciergerie, by Pierre Belaiche-Daninos, are two wonderful examples. Their fictional additions actually are suggestions and reflexions of auhorized scholars, put by their knowledge in a position to truly cope to reality.

On the other hand, when a writer takes a character who once really lived, and tells inaccurate stories about him/her, perfectly knowing they are not true, I call it writing lies. J'ai aimé une reine, by Patrik Poivres d'Arvors or Marie Antoinette, la rose écrasée, by Gérald Messadié, do so.

Author:  Louis-Charles [ Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:21 pm ]
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J'ai aimé une reine, by Patrik Poivres d'Arvors


Patrik Poivres d'Arvors a écrit un tel livre? Je ne savais pas! :D
Le cachotier! :lol:

I doubt that his book is of the first quality :?

Author:  Therese [ Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:26 pm ]
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I agree, dear Pimprenelle. Historical fiction can be a magnificent way to explore the psychology of the actual personages, and come to understand them on a deeper level with all their joys, sorrows and demons. It is the same as a great painting - one can come to deeper insights about the individual and about life in general than would be possible otherwise. That is the function of the best art, film and literature.

But when the truth is grossly distorted then the viewer/reader is deprived of valuable insights that could otherwise illumine their understanding of history, of reality, of life....

Author:  Pimprenelle [ Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:44 pm ]
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Oh, Chou... Poivres d'Arvors indeed committed an awful novel about La Fayette and Antoinette. They met in their youth, and she was so coquette that he fell for her. Well... coquette as a woman can be when she consciously wants a man in her bed... while milking the cows a suggestive way, for instance...

Totally disgusting ! :x

The writer even dared to say that, on this balcony at Versailles, on this terrible October 6th, while she just risked her life, La Fayette stood there, and he wanted her ! Sic et hic, physically !

This I call using poor Marie Antoinette for serving personal sexual fantasies ! Beurk !!! Not better than those vulgar pamphlets.

Author:  Therese [ Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:56 pm ]
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Lafayette? Antoinette? tres bizarre....

Author:  Louis-Charles [ Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:00 pm ]
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Seriously? :shock:
He disappoints me very much, this journalist...to mingle Marie-Antoinette with his idiotic phantasms...
So Marie-Antoinette would have had relations with "le Blondinet"?Incredible to write such things... :lol:
I will not look at any more his television news! :lol:

Author:  Pimprenelle [ Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:17 pm ]
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No, not real relations... she was just coquette with him, so as to set him on fire, cruelly... Beurk, je te dis, beurk !!!

Author:  Louis-Charles [ Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:19 pm ]
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Des pseudos-relations quoi...Marie-Antoinette faire la coquette devant le Blondinet...elle qui le détestait...Beurk comme tu dis!
(ce soir je regarde le JT de France 2 et paf!)

Author:  Merteuil [ Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:30 am ]
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I didn't know Poivres d'Arvors had turned into the French Barbara Cartland. Silly love story plot set against popular historical background. What has the world come to :shock: :wink:

Author:  lilliane-delphine [ Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:27 am ]
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:wink: i bought this at BORDERS and i'm trying to rush through it~it's just okay...not great!!!

Author:  Mondeskind [ Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:15 pm ]
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I like historical fiction, but the facts in this book are just all over the place! Leaving out the necklace affair, and creating this stable boy lover....*sigh* And the lessons in seduction?! What??

I didn't like this book at all.

Author:  Délicate fleur [ Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:30 am ]
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I think so little of this novel I will not begin to explain why it is so. It's an insult to the memory of Antoinette and something the author should be ashamed of putting her name to. :roll:

Author:  Mondeskind [ Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:16 pm ]
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Could not agree more.

Author:  Monsieur Andre [ Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:46 pm ]
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Although the book does present Marie Antoinette in a rather sympathetic light, everything is so inaccurate, esp. the sex with Fersen e.g. this passage...

"I do not get pregnant for Axel is very careful."

And another....

"I stroke his body and the blond curls on his chest," or something like that.

It's just tasteless and it almost makes me sick to think about it. :evil:

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