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Author:  CrY [ Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:07 pm ]
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I am very curious to know which biography you love more than others!

Je suis très curieuse de savoir quelle biographie vous préférez!

Ich bin merkwurdig zu wissen, welche Biographie Sie gefallen!

ADRIENNE tell me if the question is understandable (if it isn't sens me a message)

Author:  Pimprenelle [ Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:20 pm ]
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My favorite biographie is Simone Bertière's. It's clever, sensible, beautiful, well documented... and written with a great talent. I also appreciate Fraser. And, in a different way, I just love "farewell my queen", by Chantal Thomas.

Author:  CrY [ Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:55 pm ]
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yes, I know him just for the name. I'm sorry but in Italie all the biographies are not imported (or maybe just in my island!!!) I work so hard to find other biographies!! I must go to Milan to find someone!!!

Author:  Pimprenelle [ Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:57 pm ]
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Why don't you order them on the net ? It's a good option ! I found a lot of books and dvds this way.

Author:  Therese [ Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:20 pm ]
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My favorites are Nesta Webster's "Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette before the Revolution," Vincent Cronin's "Louis and Antoinette," and Desmond Seward's "Marie-Antoinette."

Author:  Monsieur Royale [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:11 am ]
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Desmond Seward's was the first Marie Antoinette bio I ever read.

I don't particularly have a favorite at the moment, it seemed like all the bio's on her I read were missing something and then I'd find that something in another bio about her but that one would be missing something else.
At the moment I am re reading Antonia Fraser's because I can't remember it to be honest :lol:

Author:  Therese [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:13 am ]
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I have found the same to be true about most of the biographies. Either they are missing something or have something bad about Louis or something totally inaccurate about both of them. One must read MANY biographies and memoirs in order to get an accurate picture of Marie Antoinette. The best bio I have read, the most complete, was Nesta Webster's two volume work.

Author:  Therese [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:29 am ]
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Uh, oh. I just found out that Nesta Webster later became a Nazi supporter. Oh, no! But her biography is still extremely detailed. As I said, one needs to read many things in order to get a clear picture.

Author:  Pimprenelle [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:16 am ]
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I fully agree with you, dear Therese. We must read the more we can, so as to enlarge our points of view. Even books on other characters, that put events in other perspectives. For instance, it's impossible to really approach Marie-Antoinette without reading about Louis XVI. Their biographies answer one another.

Author:  CrY [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:22 pm ]
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In italy it's not very simple to find these books !!! :cry:

Author:  Therese [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:17 pm ]
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Yes, CrY, I think one is limited everywhere to a complete library of all the books written about Louis and Antoinette. Here, it is difficult to find French language books. Although, I have in the past found inter-library loan to be very helpful. And some books are online now, such as Mme Campan's memoirs.

Yes, Pimprenelle, Louis and Antoinette have to be investigated together, since they were married to each other, after all. Vincent Cronin said the same thing. His dual biography is superb except that then later he goes in for the "reste-la" theory. Desmond Seward is excellent, but then he talks about Louis' alleged operation, which we now know did not happen. Bernard Fay writes magnificently about Louis but then he hates Antoinette. As I said, I always thought Nesta Webster was the best in the English language, but now I find out she was a Nazi sympathizer (I will look into those allegations at some point.) I have never found a "perfect" biographical treatment of either Louis or his queen.

Author:  Pimprenelle [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:52 pm ]
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Simone Bertière's Marie-Antoinette is far above all that I have read. I also appreciated Philippe Delorme. He's not for the "resté là" theory ! :wink: and shows that king and queen were not against the third estate.

Author:  Therese [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:28 pm ]
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Are those books translated into English now?

Author:  Pimprenelle [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:49 pm ]
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I don't know, Therese... But as soon as Bertiere is... it's the best one !

Author:  Monsieur Royale [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:12 pm ]
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have any of you read the memoirs of Madame Royale?

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