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The escape also failed because some people acted a incredible way. How could Bouillé abandon his mission ? How could troups not check a place and possible ways out ?

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Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:13 am
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Indeed Pim... Bouillé should never have left his station... but because of the delay he believed in a cancellation of the escape... there still the enormous delay accumulated by the berline generated doubts and interrogations for the Bouillé's men...
And in more they did not know the best way to retrun in Varennes... no lucky...:?

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It's in Madame Royale's memoirs that on the way to Varennes he was spotted frequently and "many praised God to see the the king, and said prayers for his flight." I don't know how reliable her account is, or if something's turned up to contradict it. Perhaps you're thinking of the fable about how someone recognized the King's face on a coin.


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There are two points here. The king acting like an idiot by showing himself could be a legend invented by republicans in order to proove how stupid this old Capet pig actually was.

On the other hand, how far can we follow Madame Royale's memoir, since Provence gave her and hand in writing it Furthermore, it served the restauration propaganda, anxious to see how the good people of France still loved their king.

There also are Bouillé's report and so on, also difficult to believe. It is very difficult to determine what actually went wrong with this escape, and whose responsabilities are concerned.

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Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:24 am
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Many people saw Louis XVI indeed, but some historians say that nobody recognized him, except Drouet, after a real doubt... But Louis XVI shouted victory too quickly it is true... :?

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Is that true too ? When you read the story told by Girault de Coursac, it seems all diffrent...

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I don't know...all the testimony have differences and nuances :?

But all confirm that Louis XVI slackened and was sure to arrive without problem in Montmédy... the doubt is that we are not sure that he was recognized :?

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This Drouet story looks like a revolutionary legend, doesn't it ? :lol:

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Exact Pim I agree :lol:
Drouet the great Hero!! It's too beautiful indeed :lol:

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Also, there were the delays which were results of flaws in Fersen's planning, such as when the queen was delayed in getting to the coach and then getting out of Paris took overlong because Fersen did not know the streets as well as he should have.

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Indeed Therese! :wink:

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Pimprenelle wrote:

On the other hand, how far can we follow Madame Royale's memoir, since Provence gave her and hand in writing it Furthermore, it served the restauration propaganda, anxious to see how the good people of France still loved their king.
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I thought Madame Royale wrote her memoirs in 1795 when she was still in the temple...

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Yes, I thought so, too. It was written in the Temple in 1795 under the auspices of a spy of Barras, which is why I view the memoirs cautiously. Louis XVIII may have certainly had a hand in editing them, too, later on. The princess herself later tried to buy up every existing copy and have them destroyed. Still, I think for the most part they are fairly accurate, but it is good to keep in mind that Marie-Therese and her sorrows were being used to strengthen the political agendas of others.

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Yes but then Louis XVIII changed some passages of these memories... to benefit his advantage from it...And Marie-Thérèse did not want that her memories are published...

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Yes but then Louis XVIII changed some passages of these memories... to benefit his advantage from it...


Interesting! That must be why MTC tried to have every copy destroyed.

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