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Author:  Torin [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:14 am ]
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I mean Comte de Provence of course, not Artois. Anyway all the family didn't do much or anything to save the king and queen.

Author:  Elizabeth [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:56 am ]
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I can not find much information on Comte de Provence as I find with Artois or Louis XVI of course. Was his nature mild and low-key, so he did not draw much attention to himself? Was he truly the more intelligent brother? Did he conspire with Artois at all to bring Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette's downfall?

Author:  Therese [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:07 am ]
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Artois did not conspire anywhere to the degree that Provence did. I doubt that they intrigued much together. Provence was a very savvy, devious, clever, unctuous, and he could be very charming. He could also be very nasty, such as when he hit Marie-Therese in front of the court and knocked her to the ground.

Author:  Arianna [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:56 am ]
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Therese wrote:
He could also be very nasty, such as when he hit Marie-Therese in front of the court and knocked her to the ground.
When this happened, Therese?

Author:  Therese [ Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:28 pm ]
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Oh, around 1823-24, when Louis XVIII was a grumpy old man.

Author:  Elizabeth [ Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:27 pm ]
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There must be more to Provence than a fat, clever, coniving, charming egoist as all my reading can say about him... :?:

Author:  TsmnDs [ Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:19 am ]
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I am toiling my way through a book on Artois' exile in Edinburgh at the moment and I'm not picking up any sense of him being particularly pious. However, Louise, though unwell, is still very much alive so I expect the conversion has yet to take place! The Abbe Latil arrived on the scene because Artois was in need of someone suitable to conduct mass but of lowly enough station that he (Artois) need not be obliged to dine with him. Gradually though, it seems, Latil became indispensable.... I haven't got that far yet though..

Author:  Therese [ Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:30 am ]
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Artois was not pious AT ALL until after Louise de Polastron died, as the article above says. She begged him to give himself to God on her deathbed, and he did.

Author:  Therese [ Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:31 am ]
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A big event in Louis XVIII's reign was the murder of his nephew, the Duc de Berry.

http://teaattrianon.blogspot.com/2007/0 ... racle.html

Author:  Arianna [ Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:36 am ]
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Therese wrote:
Oh, around 1823-24, when Louis XVIII was a grumpy old man.
Okay, thanks Therese :)

Author:  Moose [ Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:27 pm ]
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Provence has always struck me as the least interesting of the brothers, despite his ambition and the fact that he was apparently intelligent.

Author:  Therese [ Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:37 pm ]
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I don't know, my impression is that Provence was quite bright and witty and was a good conversationalist. He gave the impression of being more intellectual than he really was, whereas Louis XVI, who was a true intellectual, was more restrained in the display of knowledge. He is not as likeable, though, as Louis XVI and Artois; Provence was not a nice person.

Author:  Moose [ Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:49 pm ]
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No, that's the impression I got too.

I actually studied post revolutionary French history for A level but can remember virtually nothing about it, which is why I said it was a period that I had little knowledge about. I remember not cottoning on at the time though that Charles X and whatshisname who came before were actually Artois and Provence. I wish I had known.. I would have paid much more attention.

Author:  oceane [ Mon May 21, 2007 5:20 am ]
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Therese, would you mind re explaining what happened in the event when Provence struck Marie-Theres to the ground? Was that Marie-Therese as in Louis XVI and M.A's daughter ?

well .. that's just shocking what a horrible piece of work that Provence

Author:  Therese [ Mon May 21, 2007 12:30 pm ]
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oceane wrote:
Therese, would you mind re explaining what happened in the event when Provence struck Marie-Theres to the ground? Was that Marie-Therese as in Louis XVI and M.A's daughter ?

well .. that's just shocking what a horrible piece of work that Provence


Yes, it was Marie-Antoinette's daughter and MTC's old uncle had fainted and they thought he had a stroke. She ran to his side and when he came to, he knocked her to the ground, saying: "You are all just waiting for me to die." It was before the entire court.

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