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Author:  Ludy [ Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:46 pm ]
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Well, once the queen had fallen into the river due to an accident and had swallowed a lot of water, Henriette exclaimed "Had I been there, I would have said "the Queen is drinking !". She made up the nickname " fat banker" applied to Marie de Médicis.

Also, she had obtained from Henri IV a marriage proposition, and would blackmail him, claiming she should be the queen. Her children were brought up with the queen's children (as long as Gabrielle d'Estrée's) in Saint Germain en Laye, in spite Marie de Médicis's wrath. She later took part in a plot along with her brother to have her son recognized as the heir.

I afraid there is no biography. However, relevant elements can be found in Bertière, Bordonove's Henri IV and a book by Guy Chaussinand Nogaret about the favorites.

I always remember one famous lampoon, which was written by the time when Henri IV planned to marry Gabrielle, after he had his son legitimized (by the way, not sure whether he really fathered them) :

Marriez vous de par Dieu Sire,
Car votre lignage est certain,
Puisque un peu d'encre et de cire,
Légitiment un fils de putain.


:lol:

Oh I know about the Rosenberg letter, but I was hinting at a pamphlet :

La reine dit imprudemment,
à Besenval, son confident :
"Mon mari est un pauvre sire".
Il lui répond d'un ton léger :
"Chacun le pense sans le dire,
Vous vous le dites sans y penser."


This pamphlet highlights that it was a well-known fact that the queen used to scoff at the king's intimate problems with her friends. Even Joseph II rebuked her in his letter written after his first visit to France.

Author:  Ludy [ Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:27 pm ]
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At the end of the day, Henri got wreary of Henriette -who had put a lot of weight and was very much altered. He found other mistresses who proved, if not so scathing, not any less disdainful to him. Jacqueline du Bueil cheated on him and turned him down at the end of their relationship.

I feel Henriette went a tad too far with her sarcasms and arrogance. I like the way Madame de Montespan managed not to overstep the mark, or, at least, no too often. Madame de Palatine, I think, noticed that for all her irony, she was rarely nasty in her jokes.

Author:  baron de batz [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:31 am ]
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She was pretty nasty when someone got her hackles up I think! She certainly manged to get Lauzun holed up in prison (much to Fouquet's benefit I add as Lauzun eased his loneliness!), and she had a few scathing words fior her rival Mme de Maintenon!

Author:  Ludy [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:31 am ]
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baron de batz wrote:
She was pretty nasty when someone got her hackles up I think! She certainly manged to get Lauzun holed up in prison (much to Fouquet's benefit I add as Lauzun eased his loneliness!), and she had a few scathing words fior her rival Mme de Maintenon!


Well, I am not very knowledgeable about the matter, but as far as I know, not only she was hostile to Lauzun. Even the queen was. But it is true that the Queen and Madame de Montespan had to unite on more than an occasion, against La Vallière, or Marie Mancini on her way back to France.

Author:  Marija Vera [ Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:06 am ]
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Ludy wrote:
Well, women can be cruel, even Joséphine notoriously scoffed at Napoleon's love making after they got divorced -and so did Eléonore de la Plaigne, his mistress. Women are now apt to be more vulgar than ironic, unfortunately.


What for a bitter woman is left to do? :lol:

I enjoyed your discussion very much!

Author:  Délicate fleur [ Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:57 pm ]
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Intellectual standards discussion continued in http://forum.marie-antoinette.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2355
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