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Author:  Ludy [ Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Marie stripped naked when she crossed the border to France

baron de batz wrote:
Are you questioning the stripping naked or the ceremony taking place at all? If its the stripping naked you question then I agree that there is some doubt, as I put in a post some months ago, if you look back.



Ok then I am sorry !

Author:  baron de batz [ Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:45 pm ]
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You don't need to be sorry! :lol:

I think she was probably stripped to her undergarments in such an occasion....bad enough! But look how she was stripped in front of everyone at Versailles to obey etiquette!

Author:  fritzboy [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:40 am ]
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the story about how antoinette had to give up her dog is incorrect
the fact is antoinette refused to give up her dog
after lengthy negotiations it was ceremonially given up and returned to her

Author:  Ludy [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Marie stripped naked when she crossed the border to France

fritzboy wrote:
the story about how antoinette had to give up her dog is incorrect
the fact is antoinette refused to give up her dog
after lengthy negotiations it was ceremonially given up and returned to her


Which reminds me of Queen Victoria's trip to France to settle "l'Entente cordiale". Napoleon III had her room refurbished in the exact same style as her English bedroom,so that she would not feel homesick. She declared herself pleasantly suprised and only bewailed the absence of her dear little poodle ... which was immediately shipped from Great Britain to France !


Willkommen Fritzboy !

Author:  Vermandois [ Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:13 am ]
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I think we are far too inclined to view history in the context of our own lives. Let's not forget that privacy is a relatively recent concept. While to us, disrobing in front of others (in some countries more than others), is an unpalatable notion, to royalty of the eighteenth century, it was quite normal to accept that as part of life.

The clothing of the time for aristocracy made it impossible to prepare for the day by bathing and dressing on their own before facing another soul.

So, in my opinion, it is highly likely that Marie Antoinette stripped naked before entering France, probably not in front of men, but certainly in front of her new ladies in waiting.

Author:  Ludy [ Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:42 pm ]
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Mmmm ... sorry I disagree. It is not a matter of context but one of historical accuracy. Apart from the symbolic meaning of stripping the princess naked, there was a practical purpose : adjusting her clothing to the French fashion. For instance during the XVII century, the Spanish princesses such as Louis XIV's wife Marie-Thérèse used to sport hairdoes and dresses that made them look laughable in the French court. But Marie-Antoinette had been raised and dressed as the most fashinable Parisienne already back in Vienna, so there was no need to strip her at all. I think only Madame Campan asserted she indeed was stripped naked, but she did not attend the ceremony, so who knows.

Author:  Marie Louise [ Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:22 am ]
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She was because she had to remove every article of her Austrian clothing but I dont believe many a man were trying to get a sneak peak because she was accompanied by a few women and some guards(that were outside).

Author:  baron de batz [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Marie stripped naked when she crossed the border to France

I think she was stripped down to her undergarments.

There were some witnesses to the ceremony, I believe the young Prince de Poix got a sneak preview for example. :)

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