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Author:  Artois [ Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:08 pm ]
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In Madame Tussad's Museum in London there are wax figures of Louis VI and Marie Antoinette over a sign stating that they are the death masks of the royal couple. (The sign was there for several years; I'm assuming it's still there.) It further claims that Mme. Tusssad herself obtained the masks after the executions. Could this be true? The only one who makes this claim is Mme. Tussad.

Author:  jimcheval [ Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:05 am ]
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It seems to be generally accepted that Madame Tussaud did this:

http://historicalbiographies.suite101.com/article.cfm/madame_tussaud__artist_in_wax
http://books.google.com/books?id=vIvNAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA342&dq=Marie-ANtoinette+death+mask&lr=&as_brr=1&cd=6#v=onepage&q=Marie-ANtoinette%20death%20mask&f=false

Apparently the authorities even obliged her to take such casts:
http://books.google.com/books?id=qOjNAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA466&dq=%22Madame+Tussaud%22+Marie-ANtoinette&cd=3#v=onepage&q=%22Madame%20Tussaud%22%20Marie-ANtoinette&f=false

I imagine some will want to see it:

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Those who like this kind of thing might visit Undying Faces:
http://www.undyingfaces.com/info/

Author:  Christophe [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:33 pm ]
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I have to wonder about this. By all accounts that I have read, both Louis and Antoinette's bodies were carted directly from the place of their murders to the grave. When would Tussaud have taken these casts? Did she sneak into the cemetary at night and play with the heads? It seems unlikely to me.

Author:  jimcheval [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:40 am ]
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Again, by some accounts it was the authorities themselves who obliged her to do this. If so, no sneaking required.

Otherwise, one of several accounts says that she did indeed sneak a chance just before the body was buried.

In terms of the king and queen, accounts seem to vary. But there seems to be good evidence that she not only molded several other famous figures of the Revolution, but was actually obliged to. Which makes the current story more credible.

Author:  baron de batz [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:30 pm ]
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I had read somewhere that she got a chance to mold the Queen's death mask. If we are to believe LenĂ´tre, she would have had 15 days to do so at the Madeleine cemetery before someone finally got round to burying this unfortunate Queen. :(

Author:  Christophe [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:03 pm ]
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Does anybody happen to have a photo of the King's death mask? Or know of a link? I'd love to see it.

Author:  annies sis [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:05 am ]
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Wait, are we saying that the image above is the actual image of the queens face? Even if it is a cast, is that her face? Or, is it just wax taken from an image or imagination and sculpted? I am a little confused.

Author:  jimcheval [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:19 am ]
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IF it is what it claims to be, it is a mold of the Queen's actual face, yes.

Here's a bust of her from 1781 for comparison:
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It's a shame - Houdon, who did wonderfully lifelike sculptures, apparently did one of her, but I can't find it. Here's his Louis XVI (which I've seen up close):
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Otherwise, here's the death mask with a painting of the Queen, and the two superimposed:
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I'd say if it's not the Queen, someone did a pretty cool sculpting job.

Author:  annies sis [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:24 am ]
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Is it just me, or is it quite chilling to see an image of something that was actually (possibly) taken from her actual face?! I mean that is as close it gets!

Author:  jimcheval [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:41 am ]
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Oh, THAT"s not spooky....

THIS is spooky:

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Author:  Christophe [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:39 am ]
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I think the nose on the death mask looks completely different than the nose on the Houdon bust.

Author:  jimcheval [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:19 pm ]
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The Marie-Antoinette bust is NOT a Houdon; only the Louis XVI.

The nose matches the painting I super-imposed to a T. The eyebrows are very close, and other features as well. The hairline is different, but that's probably because the wig for the mask wasn't that carefully made.

But of course others could have fun digging up other images and comparing them.

Author:  annies sis [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:53 pm ]
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Wow, that is amazing! Although, I feel horrible for the poor queen getting a face full of wax!

Author:  lilyofthevalley [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:47 pm ]
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I decided to try my own combination of the mask and her face - I didn't tilt the mask enough in this one, but I do think she looks similar!

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Author:  annies sis [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:56 pm ]
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That is a very good pic, and also very similar to the wax figure, chilling...

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