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Author:  Mrs.B [ Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:45 am ]
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I have often read of Marie Antoinette being referred to as the ''Daughter of the Caesars''. Does anyone happen to know how she came about being referred to as this, and if she did in fact have any relation to the Caesar line??

Author:  Marija Vera [ Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:40 am ]
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I’ve never heard of it but now I am very intrigued. :?

Author:  Rosalie [ Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:42 am ]
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She was called this because she was part of the Imperial family of Hapsburg, and the Austrian Empire was the continuation of the Holy Roman Empire, which was considered like the ideal descendant of the Roman Empire. That's why Daughter of the Caesars.

Author:  Anouk [ Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:14 am ]
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I think -in this case- the word "caesar" has no common point with the Roman Empire. In the 18th century it was used as "emperor", it was a synonym of monarch. (Of course, nowadays it sounds very out-fashioned :( )

Author:  Anouk [ Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:15 am ]
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By the way, Mrs.B, I like your avatar 8)

Author:  Pimprenelle [ Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:03 pm ]
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Quote:
She was called this because she was part of the Imperial family of Hapsburg, and the Austrian Empire was the continuation of the Holy Roman Empire, which was considered like the ideal descendant of the Roman Empire. That's why Daughter of the Caesars.

I confirm this information. I read so more than once.

Author:  Hellou_Librorum [ Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:42 pm ]
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I thought is was something similar of that sort. Why is it Caesars? Wouldn't it be Daughter of the Caesar? :/

Author:  Rosalie [ Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:53 pm ]
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"Caesar" is how all the emperors of Rome were called, and that's also why it came to be a sort of synonim of the term "emperor". Did I unserstand your question rightly?
:)

Author:  Hellou_Librorum [ Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:02 pm ]
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Thank you Rosalie!

Author:  Therese [ Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:02 pm ]
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The Queen was descended from a long line of rulers, including her father and her maternal grandfather, who bore the title of "Kaiser," the German for "Caesar." In Russia, the Emperor was also referred to as "Caesar" which in Russian was "Czar" or "Tsar." Marie-Antoinette is often referred to as "Daughter of the Caesars," meaning that she was descended from a many Holy Roman Emperors, who commonly called themselves "kaiser" or "caesar." See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser

Author:  Hellou_Librorum [ Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:15 pm ]
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Thank you for the clarification Therese! :)

Author:  Therese [ Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:22 pm ]
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You are welcome!

Author:  Comte de Provence [ Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:09 am ]
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ahh i see! merci a vous!
so, in actuality, she was not related to the actual caesers?

Author:  Therese [ Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:15 am ]
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Comte de Provence wrote:
ahh i see! merci a vous!
so, in actuality, she was not related to the actual caesers?


I greatly doubt it, Monsieur.

Author:  Comte de Provence [ Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:33 am ]
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okay! i get it!
yay!
thank you therese.

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