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In Sweden we have a painting (gouach) of the magnificent party at Petit Trianon at Midsummer Day 1784 held by Marie-Antoinette for the Swedish king Gustav III (officially) but all the Swedish guests noted that Marie-Antoinette held this lavished party solely for Axel von Fersen. The Swedish guests noted that this was a party to be remembered for all times. This painting was painted by Niclas Lafrensen the younger who of course also attended the party and the painting depicts the enlighted garden where the dinner (supé) was served. Niclas Lafrensen has really captured this enchanted night. Unfortunately the painting is not available on the internet.
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Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:37 am
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Thorleif Nilsson wrote:
Unfortunately the painting is not available on the internet.

Oh, that’s too bad!! :(
Now I am intrigued.

Thorleif Nilsson wrote:
all the Swedish guests noted that Marie-Antoinette held this lavished party solely for Axel von Fersen

Ah… :wink:

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Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:27 pm
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You know that evening and night of Midsummer Day 1784 was probably the peek of Marie-Antoinette´s life. Midsummer Day is usually around 20-21 of June. Exactly 9 months later 27th of March Marie-Antoinette gave birth to Louis XVII. If she had sex with someone that night it was definitly not with Louis XVI. It could only have been with Axel von Fersen. They were both only 29 years old at the time in other words in the prime of life! When I stare at the picture I can for a split second feel as if I had been there. I think that era really should be the first La Belle Epoque and the second 1875-1914. Another intriguing painting in Sweden painted by the Swedish rococo master Alexander Roslin is a painting most likely depicting Madame de Lamballe. The painting is owned by a private owner in Sweden. I have only found one blury picture on the internet of this painting. The one I have is a huge one in an art book about Alexander Roslin. If it is Madame de Lamballe no wonder they found each other. She was only six years older than Marie-Antoinette and her friends were the jet set of their time. What fun they must have had....
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It was not that easy for the Queen of France just to sneek off into her private appartments and have sex with Fersen. She was the Queen of France even at Trianon, and in permanent representation. So its' quite assertive of you to say that the only person she could have had sex with that night was Fersen, even though you are obviously not the first person to see the coincidence in the dates. I would say its' highly unlikely but not wholly impossible, as some people state.

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What a pity that the painting is not in the internet! I'd really really like to see it!
Thank you for sharing this information :)

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Thorleif Nilsson wrote:
If she had sex with someone that night it was definitly not with Louis XVI. It could only have been with Axel von Fersen. They were both only 29 years old at the time in other words in the prime of life!


It seems like you don’t have a single doubt about they being lovers.

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Let´s face it. There is no real hard evidence I admit that. There are only circumstantial evidence. Then the question is: How much circumstantial evidende do we need? For me there are enough. I don´t want to slander her reputation but I can´t deny what I have read. Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette didn´t choose each other at least not in the sence we do today. Hence if Marie-Antoinette would have had multiple lovers and have had hard core sex with them or not it would not in my eyes diminish her at all. But then again I live in Sweden and we Swedes are known to be sex liberals. Be that as it may. What ever Marie-Antoinette did it was and is her private business. She goes through the same thing as the jet set of our time when paparazzis sneak around.
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I cannot stomach such a comparison to our dear proud daughter of the Caesers! Never! :roll:

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Délicate fleur wrote:
I cannot stomach such a comparison to our dear proud daughter of the Caesers! Never! :roll:

I respect that.
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Firstly as you may know French kings never chose their Queens, they chose their favourites. Their Queens were always the result of arranged marriages after intense negotiation.

Secondly what is the difference between having "hard core" sex and having sex? This Queen of France was not exactly "hot", if anything somewhat prudish, so I don't think that you can apply the teminology of the pornography generation to her, even if you are Swedish! :)

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Quite right!
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First of all let me make this absolutely clear: I have the highest thoughts of Marie-Antoinette. She was a victim of circumstances. It´s not her fault. When I wrote "hard core sex" it was just to emphasize that what ever she did or didn´t do, said or didn´t say in my opinion it doesn´t diminish her! After all she was just another human being among the other of more than 100 billion (sic!) people who have lived before all of us that live now. We are all born as an origianl but most of us die as a copy. Some of us die still as an original and Marie-Antoinette was and is certainly one of those truly original people. She herself and history made her that.
When it comes to whether or not Marie-Antoinette had sexual intercourse Midsummer Day 1784 we don´t know. I don´t see Marie-Antoinette as an hypocrite. I find it very hard to believe that she could held a party for Axel von Fersen that day and then at dawn the next day fool around in bed with Louis XVI. No way! As far as I know there is not a shred of circumstantial evidence to support such hipocrisy on her part. Rest in peace, Marie-Antoinette...
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Thorleif Nilsson wrote:
First of all let me make this absolutely clear: I have the highest thoughts of Marie-Antoinette. She was a victim of circumstances. It´s not her fault. When I wrote "hard core sex" it was just to emphasize that what ever she did or didn´t do, said or didn´t say in my opinion it doesn´t diminish her! After all she was just another human being among the other of more than 100 billion (sic!) people who have lived before all of us that live now. We are all born as an origianl but most of us die as a copy. Some of us die still as an original and Marie-Antoinette was and is certainly one of those truly original people. She herself and history made her that.


Good sentence.

I do not idealize M.A. so there is nothing that could make me feel different about her. She was fascinating person; I don’t see her as a saint and actually I don’t think we have a lot of in common. I think I am more similar to Catharine the Great or Elisabeth I. I feel sorry for M.A. tragic destiny and injustice done to her, really nothing from her personal life could make me feel different and less interested in her and the time she lived in.

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I called the museum in Sweden which is in the possession of the painting. A staff member told me that they will photograf the painting and put it on their website. At least they have postcards of the painting. In August I will probably drove by the city where the museum is located and I will bye a few postcards.
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I would really like to see it!

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