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Author:  silverstar [ Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: La princesse de Lamballe

quote jim cheval ......Killing prisoners, period. ......end quote

it was nt just prisoners that were slaughtered, the mobs where stopping coaches
and slaughtering priests, nobles in fact anyone they suspected as being anti the Revolution

Author:  Christophe [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: La princesse de Lamballe

Délicate fleur wrote:
Oui, it was very senseless and brutal what they did to the poor Lamballe. Sure, perhaps they felt it was necessary to execute her and a swift, humane death would suffice. But the rape and desecration of her body was amazingly cruel. Yes, dear people, the glory of the Revolution!


Lamballe was murdered simply for being a friend of the Queen's. She committed no crime, conducted no treason, and at no time presented a threat to their precious Revolution. She was mudered, pure and simple, nothing "necessary" about her death.

The question begs to be answered here, Who conducted and participated in the September Massacres? The general consensus is the sans-culottes and others loosely associated with the Jacobin Club. Sometimes Danton's name is mentioned as a probable ring-leader, other historians point to Hebert (who certainly whipped up the mob's ferver with his pamphlets). However, the Massacres took place at a point in the Revolution, and in particular in Paris, when legitimate authority had almost completely broken down. The monarchy had just expired, the legally (by the revolution's own standards) elected National Assembly was paralized, and the City government (Commune) was in the hands of a party of renegades who had illegally--it must be said---seized control and had no real command over anything but a small, rag-tag band of radical citizens. It was this band of renegades who at that point were running wild and terrorizing the whole of Paris. They chose to break into the prisons and start slaughtering prisoners, didn't seem to matter whether their victims were political or criminal. Their aim was to intimidate the legitimately elected government and put fear into anyone who would oppose them; the prisoners were just a convenient, ready-made target. They were a very visible example , if you will, for the perceived enemies of the Paris Commune.
The fallout from these Massacres would taint the Revolution till it's bitter end. In a way, you might say that the Massacres were the beginning of the end, the tipping point at which the Revolutionary movement abandoned its democratic principles and devolved into anarchy and a political freeforall.

Author:  silverstar [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: La princesse de Lamballe

I THINK the assault on the Tuilleries Palace on 10 aug 1792 was really the end of the French monarchy.
The assault on the Palace took place in the middle of a heatwave..... the heat in Paris that day was stiffling.
Of course too, the Paris mob were augmented by a cut throat mob of men who had marched up from
Marseilles and were ready for a bloody fight.

Possibly as many as 700 swiss guards were slaughtered on that day... men who were sworn and dedicated
to the French Royal Family... men who did nt back down in the face of the ugly, bloodthirsty mob.
Many of the French regular soldiers there guarding the Palace that day actually turned coat and the
Swiss Guards found themselves being shot at from both sides.

The King finally took the advice to flee the Palace and seek sanctuary with the Legislative Assembly.
I think at that moment.... the moment when he left the protection of his loyal Swiss Guard.... then it was
all over for the French Monarchy.......... the King and his family were in effect prisoners of the Revolutionary
forces to do with them what they will.
1000 years of French Monarchy had come to an end .

Of course these terrible events in Paris led the Prussians to invade France and soon they were At Verdun...
threatening to invade Paris.
This raised the political temperature and the Duke of Brunswick demands and threats further inflamed the mob.
The Duke demanded that the people of Paris....
" put an end to the anarchy in the interior of France, to check the attacks upon the throne and the altar, to reestablish the legal power, to restore to the king the security and the liberty of which he is now deprived and to place him in a position to exercise once more the legitimate authority which belongs to him."

Additionally, the Manifesto threatened the French population with instant punishment should it resist the Imperial and Prussian armies, or the reinstatement of the monarchy.
Such information fueled this first wave of mob hysteria of the Revolution.

The September Massacres were the result of this feverish atmosphere that reigned in Paris in those days
when the Parisians felt threatened by the Prussian army.
The writer....Restif de la Bretonne witnessed many of the atrocities which he recorded in Les Nuits de Paris (1793).
However, in the end the revolutionaries won the day and the Prussians were given a bloody nose.

The Battle of Valmy, also known as the Cannonade of Valmy, was a tactically indecisive artillery engagement, but strategically it ensured the survival of the French Revolution.
As such, and despite its minor size, it appears as one of the most decisive battles in history, as well as one of the first times a mix of old soldiers and raw volunteers were able to successfully oppose the highly respected professional Prussian and Austrian armies.

It was fought near the village of Valmy in northern France on 20 September 1792,

The German writer Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, who was present at the battle, understood the significance of the battle and told some of his Prussian comrades:
"From this place, and from this day forth begins a new era in the history of the world, and you can all say that you were present at its birth."

Author:  Christophe [ Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: La princesse de Lamballe

I'm fairly certain that everybody agrees the monarchy ended on the 10th of August. That has never been in dispute. What I said, was that the September Massacres represented the beginning of the end of the Revolution, in the sense that it demonstrated to the world that the elected government of France was no longer in control; that legitimate authority had collapsed, and Paris was now being run by a loosly allied band of renegades--the extreme arm of the Jacobins, backed by the sans-culottes. It put the National Assembly on notice that the original purpose of the Revolution had failed, devolving into what was basically anarchy followed by a dictatorship. The Prussian invasion could very well have been a trigger. But I see August 10th as the start of a second Revolution, which we all know was one of political oppression, terror, and atrocities.

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