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Welcome Therese! :)
Well, I think the intrigue and gossip is still here, unfortunately :lol: But otherwise, I understand you, sometimes I also think I was born in the wrong period


Awwww Thank you, thank you, thank you! Muah! *kisses cheek*

Thank you for the welocme just in case you where wondering,. *laughs*

Its good to know, that someone out there, (ahem Rosalie) understands my pain, lol!

I am so glad the gossip and intrigue is still here!
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You're welcome. And it's all right. It happens to the best of us. :lol:

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I like bunnies!

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You're welcome. And it's all right. It happens to the best of us. :lol:
Indeed!!!!!!!!!!!

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hahaha :D


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hahaha :D


What is sooooooooooo funny! *laughs*

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youre just so cheerful and happy.


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Marija Vera wrote:
When I think about the revolution, I try to see both sides, the subject is very sensitive and I don’t want to be unfair. I try to imagine like that is happening now.
Shortly before the French revolution, France had had over 25 million citizens. Over the 22 million were members of the third estate and many of them had lived in very bad conditions, not because they didn’t work but because the bad weather –cold winters- and crazy taxes- tax on a member of a household, church tax, tax on salt…Aristocrats had lived in wealth only because they were lucky enough to be born in noble families, to own land and live in a favor of the king who could increase their benefits. Differences between the large group of people, who had been working very hard but had lived in poverty, and much smaller group, that had had everything often by doing nothing and had had all political power, were huge. Aristocrats of higher rank coasted the French state about 107 million livara (I don’t know the translation of this custom) each year. People of the third estate had been fighting for their rights many times in history before the French revolution with more or less success. They sow aristocrats as some people, for example, see Paris Hilton today- as shallow, extravagant, egocentric, hypocrite…Imagine that your kids are dying of starvation and many diseases caused by bad conditions, that you are facing to lose your house, suffer in terrible poverty but still have to pay numerous taxes while beautiful carriages are passing buy with beautiful ladies inside, in priceless gowns and with fixed hair to be up to one meter high. That of course leaded to dissatisfaction and rage. People were also affected by the great propaganda and perverse stories connected to their queen.
France was in great debt during the reign of Louis XV. During the reign of Louis XVI, things became even worst and France was facing a financial brake down so changes were necessary. King, influenced by noblemen, refused two proposed financial reforms because they could lead to estate equality and the end of feudalism. In the 1789, when the revolution started, royal family was stroked by the tragedy- son of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette had died. One man, revolutionary, asked them why they were crying for their one son when thousands children had already died in France from starvation.
The revolution was based on good ideas, to make all people equal, to give them the same possibility to success. Among the revolutionary were many intelligent, rational people who deserve deep respect but despite their effort, unfortunately, they couldn’t overrule the angry, bloodthirsty mob. Situation was the same among the aristocrats, many of them were aware of necessary of changes and wanted to cooperate but couldn’t overrule the others, blinded by their greediness and proud, who refused to make even a slightest compromise when the catastrophe might had been avoided.
The French revolution ended so badly because disability of the two sides to make a compromise. That’s the great example of one proverb- The way to the hell is built by the good intentions (Put do pakla poplocan je dobrim namerama) - how good ideas can easily be used in such a bad manner.
The point is that the things are never black or white, but gray. I appeal to all of us who like Marie Antoinette and have negative attitude towards the revolution, to look at the things objectively and avoid unfairness which is so often while talking about this subject, whatever side you are on.

D'accord!!!! Very well said... I often think that the United States is heading down this path of revolution.... The price of gas is high, people are forced to buy gas and not food.... people are losing their houses left and right to mortgage companies... and yet.... the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer.... what do you see when you look at the wedding pictures of George Bush's daughter? =) something to think about.

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I agree with Marija that change was inevitable. Social pressures on the Royalty to change things were already strong during Louis XV's reign, and Madame la Pompadour considerably helped her lover during his struggle with the parliament of those days. However what I don't agree with is the concept of revolution because it completely replaces one system (the good and the bad) by another and leaves no room for discussion or compromise. Louis XVI tried hard to put forward the very just demands of the 3rd Estate, such as a level and equitable taxation system, and came up against an aristocracy and clergy wholly unprepared to lose their privileges. And then when the noblemen finally rallied Louis XVI, it was too late, the machine had been put into motion and nothing could stop it. Killing a few thousand aristocrats and ransacking the national heritage was not however going to change much, the wound was too deep. The proof is that the poverty was just as bad during the revolution, and Napoleon brought glory but through war and mass slaughter. And then we were back to three royal régîmes within the 19th century! What the revolution did bring about however was a change of perception of what a man or a woman is or perhaps rather should be....Rousseau started that off....born equal and with equal rights. In reality however I don't really think that we are all born equal, because those born into money or status have a natural advantage over the others. We have replaced title by money. And the difference now is the clergy and aristocracy no longer play their traditional and ancestral rôle of benefactors. The State is now the main benefactor, but where the state is deficient, the pauper finds himself more deserted than ever. Obviously no-one starves to death anymore (at least in Europe), that is a major advance. However the poor get poorer and the richer get richer, obviously, because values are centred around money and success. Equality is utopic; otherwise every day would bring its' revolution.

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Marija Vera wrote:
When I think about the revolution, I try to see both sides, the subject is very sensitive and I don’t want to be unfair. I try to imagine like that is happening now.
Shortly before the French revolution, France had had over 25 million citizens. Over the 22 million were members of the third estate and many of them had lived in very bad conditions, not because they didn’t work but because the bad weather –cold winters- and crazy taxes- tax on a member of a household, church tax, tax on salt…Aristocrats had lived in wealth only because they were lucky enough to be born in noble families, to own land and live in a favor of the king who could increase their benefits. Differences between the large group of people, who had been working very hard but had lived in poverty, and much smaller group, that had had everything often by doing nothing and had had all political power, were huge. Aristocrats of higher rank coasted the French state about 107 million livara (I don’t know the translation of this custom) each year. People of the third estate had been fighting for their rights many times in history before the French revolution with more or less success. They sow aristocrats as some people, for example, see Paris Hilton today- as shallow, extravagant, egocentric, hypocrite…Imagine that your kids are dying of starvation and many diseases caused by bad conditions, that you are facing to lose your house, suffer in terrible poverty but still have to pay numerous taxes while beautiful carriages are passing buy with beautiful ladies inside, in priceless gowns and with fixed hair to be up to one meter high. That of course leaded to dissatisfaction and rage. People were also affected by the great propaganda and perverse stories connected to their queen.
France was in great debt during the reign of Louis XV. During the reign of Louis XVI, things became even worst and France was facing a financial brake down so changes were necessary. King, influenced by noblemen, refused two proposed financial reforms because they could lead to estate equality and the end of feudalism. In the 1789, when the revolution started, royal family was stroked by the tragedy- son of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette had died. One man, revolutionary, asked them why they were crying for their one son when thousands children had already died in France from starvation.
The revolution was based on good ideas, to make all people equal, to give them the same possibility to success. Among the revolutionary were many intelligent, rational people who deserve deep respect but despite their effort, unfortunately, they couldn’t overrule the angry, bloodthirsty mob. Situation was the same among the aristocrats, many of them were aware of necessary of changes and wanted to cooperate but couldn’t overrule the others, blinded by their greediness and proud, who refused to make even a slightest compromise when the catastrophe might had been avoided.
The French revolution ended so badly because disability of the two sides to make a compromise. That’s the great example of one proverb- The way to the hell is built by the good intentions (Put do pakla poplocan je dobrim namerama) - how good ideas can easily be used in such a bad manner.
The point is that the things are never black or white, but gray. I appeal to all of us who like Marie Antoinette and have negative attitude towards the revolution, to look at the things objectively and avoid unfairness which is so often while talking about this subject, whatever side you are on.

D'accord!!!! Very well said... I often think that the United States is heading down this path of revolution.... The price of gas is high, people are forced to buy gas and not food.... people are losing their houses left and right to mortgage companies... and yet.... the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer.... what do you see when you look at the wedding pictures of George Bush's daughter? =) something to think about.


What everyone else see's, a fat spoiled little Texan girl, who thinks she owns the world, why do you ask? :twisted:


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I agree with Marija that change was inevitable. Social pressures on the Royalty to change things were already strong during Louis XV's reign, and Madame la Pompadour considerably helped her lover during his struggle with the parliament of those days. However what I don't agree with is the concept of revolution because it completely replaces one system (the good and the bad) by another and leaves no room for discussion or compromise. Louis XVI tried hard to put forward the very just demands of the 3rd Estate, such as a level and equitable taxation system, and came up against an aristocracy and clergy wholly unprepared to lose their privileges. And then when the noblemen finally rallied Louis XVI, it was too late, the machine had been put into motion and nothing could stop it. Killing a few thousand aristocrats and ransacking the national heritage was not however going to change much, the wound was too deep. The proof is that the poverty was just as bad during the revolution, and Napoleon brought glory but through war and mass slaughter. And then we were back to three royal régîmes within the 19th century! What the revolution did bring about however was a change of perception of what a man or a woman is or perhaps rather should be....Rousseau started that off....born equal and with equal rights. In reality however I don't really think that we are all born equal, because those born into money or status have a natural advantage over the others. We have replaced title by money. And the difference now is the clergy and aristocracy no longer play their traditional and ancestral rôle of benefactors. The State is now the main benefactor, but where the state is deficient, the pauper finds himself more deserted than ever. Obviously no-one starves to death anymore (at least in Europe), that is a major advance. However the poor get poorer and the richer get richer, obviously, because values are centred around money and success. Equality is utopic; otherwise every day would bring its' revolution.


I wish I could add something to this, but it is far too perfect. I believe that it just goes too show how Spoiled people are these days, you dont get what you want, so you throw a fit. If you do not get a raise at a job, you plot to kill your boss. I think that it should have been a law for the the taxation of the other nobles, because without a doubt in my mind, they had the money to pay their taxes! But, that im afraid still wouldnt be enough to fix everything, looking at the situation from an economic point of view, of course. I read somewhere, that if everyone in America didnt buy gas on a certain day, it would cost our country so many billions of dollars, that our "economic scare" would be over. What's happening here in America is different, were being spoiled and complaining. In all honesty, I think this crisis is all a big hoax to amke everyone think that there is a problem, because fi you talk about something long enough, anyone will start to believe it.


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It's the Iraq war that's caused our economic slump. Our economy is bad. But certainly not to the extent in 1930.

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Hellou_Librorum wrote:
It's the Iraq war that's caused our economic slump. Our economy is bad. But certainly not to the extent in 1930.

No, not at all.
See what has happened is a bit ironic as well.
Say for instance i said, you were a filthy snob.
I know you are not a filthy snob, but if I said it long enough,
everyone would believe it to be true.


In our case, our government is claiming there is an economic slump.
If you talk about it long enough, people will believe it, and control their spending.
Do you understand better now?


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Yes that makes more sense. Thank you.

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You're welcome :]


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