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Author:  La Dauphine [ Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:54 pm ]
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How can it be that Marie Antoinette shouldered most of the blame? When it was in fact her husband who aided the Americans in their revolution? Not meaning to be controversial or anything. I just want to know why.

Author:  Monsieur Royale [ Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:58 pm ]
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Because she was a woman and a Foreginer.
She also had unprecedented power that no woman in France had really had before. (she really didn't but she knew how to display an image of power) She was the victum of lies and people's ignorant prejudices

Author:  La Dauphine [ Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Merci!!

Thank you very much. I highly value the wisdom you have shared with me on the subject. That does make a very good ammount of sense. I am very pleased to make your aquaintance.

Author:  Monsieur Royale [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:52 am ]
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I am pleased to make yours and thank you for your kind words

Author:  La Dauphine [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:57 pm ]
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The pleasure is mine, Monsieur Royale

Author:  Byron [ Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:54 am ]
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I think Antoinette's biggest mistake was in assuming that by behaving naturally she could gain the sympathy of the public (remember, this was during the height of the back-to-nature fad). In fact, it worked to destroy the semi-devine aura of royalty, and she became a mere celebrity. And we all know how people love to hate their celebrities.

Author:  Pimprenelle [ Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:14 am ]
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I agree with you, Byron. However, was Antoinette responsible for that ? In the beginning, the French people loved their dauphine far too much. It was dream and fantasm already. And this kind of emotional love is two-faced, alas... Later, the mob hated the one they have loved, and poor Antoinette, having tasted adoration, then experience hate.

Add to this that nothing is as easy to manipulate than a crowd. Orleans and Provence and those who already were working for establishing a republic did so to create this hate against the weakest link f the monarchy, the Austrian queen.

A woman and a stranger... two terrible failures in those years ! :?

Author:  Aurora [ Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:43 am ]
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Not only during those years, dear :wink:

Author:  Pimprenelle [ Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:45 am ]
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:roll: Alas...

Author:  Louis-Charles [ Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:26 pm ]
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Oh...Aurora and Pim you are severe there... Is there somebody who is more charming than a Belgian or a Swede impassioned ? :wink:

Marie-Antoinette was right to want to be attracting ! Because if not, a Queen who is not worried about it will fall into forgets of the people and Versailles. A queen must show herself and impress the others.
And Marie-Antoinette did it very well! :D

Author:  Pimprenelle [ Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:43 pm ]
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Hé, Chou... she would be impressive as a peasant also...

Author:  Louis-Charles [ Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:07 pm ]
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It's clear!

The proof: she is really impressive on her portrait of 1783 with the straw hat and the dress "en Gaulle"!

Author:  Pimprenelle [ Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:14 pm ]
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And she was the queen till the very end, sitting in this dirty cart with her hands tied in her back... and her head up !

Author:  Louis-Charles [ Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:24 pm ]
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Yes... but even in this dreadful position she was impressive by her dignity and her majesty: a woman of this type is impressive in any situation and any context. :wink:

Author:  Byron [ Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:56 pm ]
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Yes Pimprenelle, I think you're right. It wasn't so much a mistake as the law of unintended consequences at work.

I think M. Royale has a good point about the revolutionaries being quick to villify a woman. They seem to have been obsessed with unatainable, high-status women. In one of Marat's essays, in 1772, he goes on about Julius Caesar's conquests (so to speak):

"What man had a passion for a greater number of mistresses? Beside his wives, four of whom he divorced, he intrigued with Nicomede queen of Bythinia, with Cleopatra, with Eunoe queen of Mauritania, with Posthumia wife of Servius Sulpitius, with Lollia wife of Gabinus, with Tertullia wife of Crassus, with Mutia wife of Pompey, with Servilia sister to Cato, and with others. Pleasure, however, was not his reigning passion. Love, that distracted Marc Antony from the management of public affairs, never took a moment from Caesar, nor caused him to neglect a single opportunity of aggrandizing his power: ambition was the predominant passion of Caesar!" (And Marat as well.)

This from a man who very likely had had no romantic relationships with women prior to the early 90's.

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