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Author:  Marija Vera [ Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:02 pm ]
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Thank you so mush Delilah on your honesty and your experience. I wouldn’t have courage to ask for the book in the library. I have something from Mirabeau, in English it would be The Upbringing of Laure or something like that. He and Marquise de Sade had knew each other, is that right? When I have time I will read it to see how scandalous it is.

Baron, did you read something from Marquis de Sade?? :idea: 8)

Author:  Delilah [ Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:59 pm ]
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baron de batz wrote:
Were your hands smoking when you took that book back to the shelf? :wink:


Yes! It's a devil's book! :lol:
I have no problems with erotic stories from 18th century(especially those where priests give instructions to their protégés :D ), but if something is sick, it's sick! I think everybody agrees about that. :roll:

Author:  baron de batz [ Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:16 pm ]
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Marija wrote:

When I have time I will read it to see how scandalous it is.

More and more like Mademoiselle de Volanges! :lol:

Author:  baron de batz [ Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:19 pm ]
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Marija wrote:

Baron, did you read something from Marquis de Sade??

Certainly not! Do you think that you would catch me reading such literature?! :angel5:

Author:  Marija Vera [ Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:26 pm ]
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No Baron, I don’t think you need such a literature.
Maybe you read it just for curiosity. :biggrin:

Author:  Hellou_Librorum [ Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:52 pm ]
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Or could it be possible that Marquis de Sade was almost doing a documentry of what other nobles did to other people, and what misery. And in a sense sympathising with the poor since in most of de Sade's works it is the poor that are subject to whomever's pleasure. One noble Gilles de Rais I remember reading his trial in a book. In summary he would take young children primarily male or young males 8-20 brought back to his castle to be tortured, raped and murdered. After the murder he would slice the body open, and look at the innards and go to sleep. In satanic rituals he somdimized the bodies of children, and keeping the heads of the attractive ones. It seems to me it could have served for inspiration for 120 Days of Sodomy.

Author:  Marija Vera [ Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:36 pm ]
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That’s disgusting!
Still I think that Sade was enjoying in the things he wrote.

Author:  Hellou_Librorum [ Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:28 pm ]
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I can imagine he did. After reading a bit of 120 Days of Sodomy. He calls the main characters "our heros, our champions"

Author:  Rosalie [ Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:44 pm ]
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Yes, I also think so. ASnd I agree, I cpuldn't read such things. I think they don't have so much to do with real and healthy eroticism

Author:  Hellou_Librorum [ Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:30 pm ]
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For me it's one of those things it is so disgusting yet so fascinating that I can't turn away. If you think about it enough these sort of things do happen in reality which is the worst part. :(

Author:  Marija Vera [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:06 am ]
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Again I must read it. :|
If you find some chapter on the internet, please post it, or the link.
I do not judge about anything or anyone before knowing the material.

Author:  dreamoutloud [ Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:22 am ]
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For Marija Vera and any others who are interested, you can read 120 Days of Sodom and Philosophy of the Bedroom here and Justine here. Those are his most famous stories, I think.

I read a biography of de Sade and came away with the impression that he was kind of a sad, sick man. In the movie Quills he is portrayed as an artist fighting for freedom of speech, which always annoys me after I read the biography because he really struck me as a man who was a little screwed up in the head and kind of pathetic.

Is anyone else familiar with the play Marat/Sade? (Or its full title: The Persecution and Assassination of Jean-Paul Marat as Performed by the Inmates of the Asylum Charenton Under the Direction of the Marquis de Sade.) That is a bizarre piece of theater.

Author:  Marija Vera [ Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:30 pm ]
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This is not strictly related to the name of the topic but since we discussed here books with similar content, I thought that opening a new topic would be useless.
I have read the book “The Lifted Curtain” or “Laura's Education” by Mirabeau. I didn’t have problem with it, content of the book is not overly explicit or hard to stand. I would describe it as a classical erotic novel with many interesting observations for us 18th century enthusiasts. I was interested in character’s opinion about the health and sexuality since the author lived in the 18th century. I was surprised how words washing and bathing were used, like something that was not so unusual after all. The story is certainly not very deep but there is an intriguing character, Laura’s father, and their strange relationship and his attitude may be interesting. All together, beside the all descriptions of sexual experiences and the bad language, you may find something valuable.

Thank you for the web page dreamoutloud, I will definitely read it when I have more time!

Author:  dreamoutloud [ Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:40 pm ]
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Ah Mirabeau. Gotta have something to do while you're lock up in prison for half your life, no? Writing pornographic lit seems to have been a fairly common 18th century prison occupation.

Author:  Rosalie [ Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:54 pm ]
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Well, it doesn't surprise me to learn Mirabeau wrote erotic literature. He was ugly, but in a way striking, with his huge body and pock-marked face, and, notwithstanding his ugliness, he was said to have a lot of lovers...A strange and passionate character!

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