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Author:  jazmin [ Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:58 am ]
Post subject:  Thoughts of Louis XVI

What did the people of France think of the King Louis XVI during his reign? Did they receive him well? :king:

Author:  Anouk [ Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts of Louis XVI

Yes we can say that people received the new king Louis XVI keenly, kindly and very confidently. When Louis XV died they tought this change must be a sign of a new life and a brand new policy. When a new trend comes, common people has always persuasion in a better future!
Then why did they trust in this new royal couple? They were both young, kind and they had a different values than Louis XV's. Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette didn't need the dead king's old ministers, the agents of the former court. Young and gifted men came, politics seemed to be change. People hoped in a different age's coming...

During the following 15 years people must have noticed that the Ancien RĂ©gime didn't change a jot despite of the endeavour of Louis XVI. How many things came that worsened the awarding of the king! He tried to held the state's financial policy but it failed by the effect of the American Independence War. (Helping the Americans might have been good politics but it was a failed fianancial policy.) Personal reasons also played part of the deteriorative judgement of the Louis's reign: when a royal couple do not produce heir, people feel the dynasty trembled. This exactly happened in case of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette... By the second half of the 1780's, few from the common people believed them. I think the Necklace Affair must be mentioned, too- however, it was the incidence of the queen.

Author:  Lilly [ Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:39 am ]
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I think that people looked forward to the new reign as Louis XV was not much loved by the French people at the end of his life. Out with the old, in with the new. Louis XVI and MA represented a new young court. Louis XVI reportedly possessed none of the impressive kingly qualities of his ancestors and was said to be awkward with nothing majestic about him. Marie Antoinette's image was already being tarnished. It seems like it didn't take long for all respect for the royal couple to degenerate. The horrible slander against them both seemed to escalate steadily during the course of the reign until it, of course, resulted in what we know happened.

Author:  jazmin [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts of Louis XVI

Helping the americans may have been the start of the downfall for the monarchy. While, it may have been a good political move for them it certainly spiraled them into more debt. How come I have not read anything where the americans repay the french monarchy for what they have done for them? Such as helping them as the revolution got more violent and progessively worse? Where there no plans to help rescue them?

Author:  baron de batz [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:53 pm ]
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The US plenipotentiary in Paris at the time, Governor Morris, just looked on the whole thing with disdain and a certain indifference. As a firm believer in Republics, his support for the Royal family was lukewarm, although he did take the trouble to write a letter to the King advising him as to what he felt was the best line to take. When things started heating up for real, he left.

Author:  Lilly [ Wed May 26, 2010 10:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts of Louis XVI

jazmin wrote:
Helping the americans may have been the start of the downfall for the monarchy. While, it may have been a good political move for them it certainly spiraled them into more debt. How come I have not read anything where the americans repay the french monarchy for what they have done for them? Such as helping them as the revolution got more violent and progessively worse? Where there no plans to help rescue them?


Helping the Americans certainly didn't help French finances - but the French monarchy was already in trouble by this time. The Americans were in no position financially to be involved in fighting especially on foreign soil - they had only recently had their own Revolution and were trying to pick up the peices and establish order for themselves. The Americans paid their debt to France in World War II.
Why didn't Marie Antoinette's family (who were so close) come to their aid? It could have all ended so differently.

Author:  jimcheval [ Thu May 27, 2010 5:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Thoughts of Louis XVI

Lilly wrote:
I think that people looked forward to the new reign as Louis XV was not much loved by the French people at the end of his life

In fact he went from being "Louis the Well-Beloved" to people fleeing the stench of his corpse as it went on its way. And supposedly some wag added to "Hic Jacet" ("Here lies") "Deo Gratia" ("Thank God!").

The assortment of influences that ended the honeymoon with the new couple was complex. Finances, lack of an heir, lack of forceful decision making as reform came into sight. One big irony is that the nasty squabbles of the Court led to vicious rumors which undermined Marie-Antoinette, but in the end hurt the whole institution - including those who'd helped to create the image of a pleasure-loving, profligate, heartless queen. There is some evidence too that Philippe d'Orleans worked very hard to undermine his cousin, no doubt expecting he could step in.

That worked well...

As for the American involvement or not, there had to be conflicted feelings. They owed a debt to Louis, but they were after all a republic and the Declaration of the Rights of Man sure sounded good. Austria had to weigh risking getting the royal couple killed before their armies ever made it to Paris and finding some way to intervene. Ultimately, it was popular fantasies of being massacred by Austrian soldiers that led to much of the unrest in Paris. So Austria's role certainly wasn't simple either.

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