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Author:  Elk [ Fri May 07, 2010 2:00 pm ]
Post subject:  The scents of Versaille

I thought I'd share this with you...

http://www.ciretrudon.com/

A favourite shop of mine here in Sydney stocks them and for Christmas last year I received one of them - Dada. The scent that wafts from these are amazing and you certainly don't need to light them to enjoy them. I can just be sitting in a room and the scent just catches the breeze.

They are an old French candle making company that had a grant of supply to Versailles. I'm eyeing off Trianon as my next one in the collection.

Author:  Lilly [ Fri May 07, 2010 5:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The scents of Versaille

Funny, I was just thinking this morning about the reality of how it must have smelled at Versailles. Body odor clinging to clothing and people's breath and teeth must have been disgusting! Even in our own day and age, when we have washing machines and toothbrushes and dental care - some people will still walk around smelling from body odor and have terrible bad breath. Ever been in a parking structure? Most of them smell like a urinal - because men - (you'd be hard pressed to find a woman who would partake in this kind of behavior) have been peeing in the stairwells!! It is reported that urinating inside Versailles took place all the time - and there are reports of both men and women doing this. I've never read about who was actually supposed to clean at Versailles. Anyhow, with the combination of dirty smelly clothing and poor personal care (at least according to the standards of today) and urine God only knows where, I can only imagine how offensive the odors must have been at Versailles. Good thing they came up with these scented candles to help mask some of the smells!

Author:  Endogenisis [ Sun May 09, 2010 8:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The scents of Versaille

Oh Lilly, you have just broken my fantasy of Versailles in the 18th century! Just kidding :lol:
Yet I must say that it is very strange to think about aristocrats who were peeing in their own palace. I also have heard that the people of those times took a bath only three times in a life time - when they were born, before or after their wedding (I can't remember it at the moment) and after their death (well, that isn't that affective :lol: ).

Author:  baron de batz [ Mon May 10, 2010 8:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The scents of Versaille

Well that's not true of everyone of course. The Queen took regular baths. The people who urinated in the stairwells at Versailles were no doubt this visiting the Château (public toilets didn't exist yet!) and remember that the Public had access even to the Hall of mirrors. Its' not like now when the Public cannot come near our major political figures. I will never forget the security surrounding the trip by Obama to Caen in Normandy. No Sovereign at that time could have beven imagined this kind of protection. Even Air Force One and Marine One were doubled, landing within seconds of each other to keep people guessing, and no public within a 800 yard perimeter. Hygiene through the ages is a subject that many people talk a lot about, but few really master. I think that it would be interesting for someone to read up on this. The bidet for example was widely used by ladies, as contemporary engravings show.

Author:  jimcheval [ Tue May 11, 2010 1:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The scents of Versaille

baron de batz wrote:
The people who urinated in the stairwells at Versailles were no doubt this visiting the Château (public toilets didn't exist yet!)

I wouldn't count on that. English travelers commented with shock about how even well-bred women thought nothing of performing nature's duties in front of them. And Versailles in particular was known for its lack of "commodities":
Quote:
à Versailles les seigneurs de la cour de Louis XIV se trouvaient dans la nécessité de se mettre à leur aise dans les corridors faute de cabinets

Quote:
At Versailles the lords of the court of Louis XIV found themselves obliged to ease themselves in the corridors for lack of toilets

Eugène Emmanuel Voillet-Le-Duc
Dictionnaire raisonné de l'architecture française du XIe au XVIe ..., Volume 6
http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA163& ... es&f=false

It's very likely that some of the liquids and solids found scattered about had the best pedigree.

Author:  baron de batz [ Wed May 12, 2010 3:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The scents of Versaille

Jim Cheval wrote:

And Versailles in particular was known for its lack of "commodities":


Well nothing's changed there. There are still no public toilets in France. :(

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