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Post Quite so!
Thank you!I had nearly forgotten!!

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unfortunately its not taught widely enough in schools or through films! :roll:


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It is sad that people are reluctant to acknowledge her as anthing more than the woman who said" Let them eat cake." Which she never even said. Maybe someday people will get the story of her and the French Aristocrazy correct! Until then...

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The serious biographies of Lever, Bertière, Nolhac, Castelot and Fraser already make it possible to diffuse the real Marie-Antoinette. :D
But few people read these books, and thus remain on rumours generated by the lampoons of the revolution time.
And for films, some are really correct too... :wink:

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I think they were, lot of evidences showed us that french nobility were decadent and frivol, but we are talking about 18 cent and we all know how everyone was free minded back then..

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I think that even thought many of aristrocrats were arogent there were still some who were kind , helped th poor,etc. Look at modern day celebrities; while some of them are completely full of themselves (ex. paris hitlon, nicole richie,lindsay lohan) others are kind and actually do something good with their money( bono from U2, angelina jolie,etc.)


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Poor people usually describe rich people as cruel, unmoral, decadent and so on. Because noble ancestors aristocrats were very proud, we can say that they were snobs.
But we can’t say in general that aristocrats were bad like we can’t say that lower states were suppressed good people. Every man is person for himself and it is quite immature to form strict opinion about aristocrats as people usually see them. People are still very corrupted, power loving, narrow minded … Back than there certainly were many cruel, frivol aristocrats who money corrupted as there were many aristocrats who accesses to knowledge of that time made very well educated, respected, with good ideas … In my favorite book, whose author was revolutionist, there is description of many bad aristocrat but also persons with noble backgrounds that stands out as very valuable individuals who deserves deep respect. Also during revolution some members of aristocracy wanted to accept reforms and equality of lower states. People were same as now, some of them moral some not, but I don’t think that is caused by their status or class.

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Did Louis XVI father a child out of marriage? I hope that is not true! :(

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That seems rather unlikely of him to do that. :?

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There are people who claim that the Duchess of Angouleme was not Madame Royale but really the illegitimate daughter of Louis XVI by a serving girl. This is incredible given what we know about the king. I think it is nonsense myself.

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It is highly unlikely. Even Fersen said - when he met the Duchess of Angouleme when she was older - that she resembled Antoinette. It's so sad that there are so much rumours out there... It would be so lovely if we all just could know the truth, what REALLY happened. Even if some of the more "bad" rumours turned out to be true.

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I agree with Hans Axel I would like to know the truth, however I must agree with Therese, if Louis XVI had been reluctant to consummate the marriage alone, it seems outrageous for Louis XVI to have an affair with a servant girl.

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Hellou_Librorum wrote:
I agree with Hans Axel I would like to know the truth, however I must agree with Therese...


It sounds like I don't agree with Therese, but I do, of course...

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My apologies, sir.

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Louis XVIII would have had to blackmail a great many people for them to keep their mouths shut if the Duchess of Angouleme was an impostor. There were a great many people living who had been on intimate terms with the royal family who would have known if she was not for real. Persons of integrity such as Madame de Tourzel and Pauline de Bearn had no trouble giving the Duchess the homage due the daughter of Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette.

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