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Pimprenelle wrote:
And Dunst was just able to portray a teenage girl, not a mature queen. And even though... an American 21th century teenage girl. Not for a single second was Dunst a XVIIIth century Habsburg archduchess.



You know...I thought the same thing. Until I saw Norma Shearer. There was NO way she put any thought into what an 18th century daughter of the most powerful woman in Europe would act like. She just simpered. Blech.

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weeloveschickens wrote:
Here is this video:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y69pTfoswpo">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y69pTfoswpo</a>


I tried following that link and ti said it was taken down. But I found it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDY5cQEf ... re=related

I don't remember them gliding in the film either.... :?

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Some photo comments:

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Pretty terrible, in fact, I think this is the definition of an 18th century slut.

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In contrast, I think this is exactly what MA would have looked like at this point in her life, no?

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Again, not very tasteful. I have to say that Dunst looks waaaaay more like a fourteen year old then Shearer does.

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Could you get any more accurate? Despite the somewhat sad expression (although if you've seen the movie you know why she looks that way at the that particular moment) I think Shearer really holds her own at the very end, and throughout the film. And in contrast to above, she looks waaaaaaaaaay more like how MA looked as an adult than Dunst does.

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In my opinion, two different comedians would be necessary. One for playing little Antoinette, who, according to testimonies, looked like a child when she arrived in Versailles. And one for playing adult Antoinette.

I think Dunst was a terrible choice anyway !

Shearer was a gracious lady, but her costumes and hairdoes and so on did not fit. On the portrait above, when she played young Antoinette, she would have been perfect for a Doctor March's daughter !

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To be fair, I didn't make it to the end of the Shearer version, so she may well have been better as an older Antoine. But the beginning....Ick.

I suppose the acting and costumes could be excused for the period of the 30s. But still.....you can do research and see what the 18th century looked like, opposed to 1938. But anyway.....

I agree. Two actresses for young and older Antoine.

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To be fair, I didn't make it to the end of the Shearer version, so she may well have been better as an older Antoine. But the beginning....Ick.

I suppose the acting and costumes could be excused for the period of the 30s. But still.....you can do research and see what the 18th century looked like, opposed to 1938. But anyway.....

I agree. Two actresses for young and older Antoine.


Actually, dear Mondeskind, it was possible to do historical research in 1938, and even earlier than that. My understanding is that the costumes for the 1938 film were roughly based on portraits of the queen, but the MGM glitz took over. And the wigs were awful. So were the historical innacuracies. I do, however, think that Norma Shearer's performance was excellent, albeit the age discrepancy at the beginning. She captured the queen's grace as well as the depth of her tragedy very ably, in my opinion.

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Therese wrote:
Mondeskind wrote:
To be fair, I didn't make it to the end of the Shearer version, so she may well have been better as an older Antoine. But the beginning....Ick.

I suppose the acting and costumes could be excused for the period of the 30s. But still.....you can do research and see what the 18th century looked like, opposed to 1938. But anyway.....

I agree. Two actresses for young and older Antoine.


Actually, dear Mondeskind, it was possible to do historical research in 1938, and even earlier than that. My understanding is that the costumes for the 1938 film were roughly based on portraits of the queen, but the MGM glitz took over. And the wigs were awful. So were the historical innacuracies. I do, however, think that Norma Shearer's performance was excellent, albeit the age discrepancy at the beginning. She captured the queen's grace as well as the depth of her tragedy very ably, in my opinion.


Well that's what I mean. Their research didn't seem very accurate. It looked too 30s for my taste. And yes, the age discrepancy is always hard to look past.

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Yes, too MGM.

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Now I kind of want to see her Juliet.

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Well, I got this for my birthday a few weeks ago. I had seen it before.
I loved it simply because Shearer seemed as though she knew and understood Marie Antoinette. The movie was sickeningly inaccurate. They show Orleans and Antoinette kissing at one point, and in the ball scene - she kisses ten different men. AND THE FERSEN THING??! She kisses "Axel" before everyone's eyes. They meet over a wager, which is far from the truth. In the Du Barry scene, the Comtesse speaks to the dauphine first. The words "there are many people at Versailles" (or something like that :shock:) were not even uttered.
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I think that Shearer played a delightful "older" queen. I thought Power was a great Fersen, but I did not like the Fersen-Antoinette relationship.
*passes out* :shock: :roll:


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Just don't forget that it was made in 1938. If you can remember that, it is a very enjoyable movie.

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I don't think so, could have been better in 1938 ! :lol:

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I agree, Pimprenelle. Even though acting styles, etc. were different in 1938....it still could have been more accurate.

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Post this is an old thread but!
I have always wanted to see this film,i cannot get hold of it unless in ntsc format (which i cant view) if anyone can lend me or make me a copy i would be very greatful!
however,you must take it with a pinch of salt and not too seriously,there are always going to be misinterpretations,inevitable......i suppose there is a certain nostalgia & romaticism with old hollywood movies....but isnt that part of the charm?

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