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 The ancient world and the French Revolution 
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Post Re: The ancient world and the French Revolution
Anouk wrote:
Indeed, the French Revolution drew more from ancient ideas then later ages in general. My comparison was a bit far from the original topic. :oops: It was not really about the ancient myths' survivorship, rather history's irrevocable and constant entity.)


It was very interesting, Aouk! :) Indeed, I also think that dynamics of power-taking are always very similar...

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The Terror referred to two ideas. One of them is the ancient cultures, political ideologies, one of them is Rousseau's philosophy. (Let me notice that instead of it, they would have chosen the idea of share of power, from Montesquieu. It would have been more helpful for the revolutionary government... :blob7:


Nice observation! Yes, Rousseau also influenced all the culture if the time, and of the Revolution, very deeply. I don't know much about it apart from the opposition nature/culture.

Thank you, Lilly, for your quote! :angel8:

I'm very tired now; I'll write something more tomorrow, after I have thoguht again about this topic!

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Yes, Lilly, you are a real expert of culture! Could you recommend us some books on this topic, s'il vous plait? :)

Rosalie, you should read Feuchtwanger's book "La Sagesse du fou"! I think you'd like it very much. It is about Rousseau's late life and his later awarding. Apart from some little mistakes arose from the roman form, it is very faithful. I don't know it has whether published in Italy...

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Thabk you Anouk! I have never heard of, it, but I'll think I'll search for it: it sounds interesting!
The problem, in studying our topic, is that there are few works entirely devoted to it (or at least I haven't been able to find many), but there is a huge amount of scattered information in other books, so it's not easy to have a general panorama of the problem.

If I find some further bibliography I'll tell you...

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OK :angel10:

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Anouk, thank you for the wonderful compliment! But, truly I'm no expert - I just love art and history! I have a little Sociology/Anthropology in my background as well. Human behavior fascinates me! Rosalie is sooooooo right about the huge amount of scattered information, making it hard to recommend books. Some light reading on ancient world culture would be available in a book on Western Civilization. Also, this topic can go in so many different directions that the sheer thought of it overwhelms me! Art, Politics, Culture, Philosophy, Psychology, etc., ............


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I think if we are interested in a topic, or more, if we are an expert of it, is perfect.
But what is more important, if we are interested in topics we don't know much about. It helps to open our field of vision, because we shouldn't stop at one area of science. We have to learn during all of our lives.

So, I think Lilly, it is splendid that you are very good in art and history. Rosalie likes history as well. (Me too). Marija Vera and Délicate Fleur prefer art, as I have observed so far.... Jimcheval is a fond of tiny movements of 18th century life... so we have different interests, but it is great! Policy is a bit moorland, but in this topic what we talk about is rather named history...

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Yes, exactly! :) I think it's great, and very useful, to share our thoughts, as we come from different backgrounds, and we can help each other in deepining our knowledge.
I'm very interested, in particular, in literature and history, espacially cultural history. So the problem of how the classics influence the 18th century, and the revolution in particular, thrills me. I've been working of classical poetry and history for years, and I find it exciting to discover that this can be related to the subject that is most attracting me now, i.e. the 18th century.
And, especially, I'm deeply interested in Revolutionary propaganda as related to the classics. My interest started when I realized just how much the denigration of Marie Antoinette owed to classical stereotypes. In many pamphlets she is presented like the French Messalina, the dissolute woman, the Furie...all images that go back to Latin writers. And then I discovered that the ideal model for a woman, during the Revolution, was that of the good Roman matron, like in Roman legends like the Lucretia one. (I've said something about this in the thread about women and the Revolution). When a woman had to be discredited, she was called a "Furie". This has a long tradition in classical culture.
So I'd be very curious to know more about how all these suggestions influenced the popular image of how society should have been.

About art...well, i think something more has been written, even if I'm no specialist. The Neoclassicism, the current which dominated the epoch, recalled, even in its name Classicity, so the indebtedness to Antiquity is more open.
But about the political and social meaning of the classical re-uses I think thing get more complicated.
I hope to learn something new!

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