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 Clara Bruni the Modern day Marie Antoinette? 
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Post Clara Bruni the Modern day Marie Antoinette?
I came across this article that states that clara Bruni is the modern day Marie Antoinette, the writer did not do a throughout reserch and stated that Marie Antoinette was married to Louis XIV rather than Louis XVI and he states that she was lazy, i think the writer was the lazy one for not reading a book or two on Marie Antoinette before making such statements about her. I dont agree with the comparison at all but what do all of you on this forum think abou this article?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... -book.html

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Post Re: Clara Bruni the Modern day Marie Antoinette?
This author looks as ridiculous as his article.
A high-fashion model interested in fashion? Gee, who'd a thunk it??? He wants to berate her for that? He sounds like he has some sort of personal problem with Carla Bruni - who by the way, I think is just lovely.
Maybe this guy should just keep his opinions to himself and spare us from such idiocy.


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Definately don't agree. I once read a fantastic article that said Hillary Clinton was the Marie Antoinette of American Politics. It was from 2006 when Hillary was still a Senator. It mostly refered to how Americans viewed Hillary and the sexiest bias against her. It was actually a pretty interesting read.

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Post Re: Clara Bruni the Modern day Marie Antoinette?
Interesting how Marie Antoinette has become an archetype, an insult...her reputation suffered at the hands of early modern political propaganda and the assassination of character. I do not like the Antoinette insult!

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Post Re: Clara Bruni the Modern day Marie Antoinette?
Délicate fleur wrote:
Interesting how Marie Antoinette has become an archetype, an insult...her reputation suffered at the many hands of early modern political propaganda and the assassination of character. I do not like the Antoinette insult!

thats the Comparison that was being made to Hillary Clinton. that she was incorrectly being blamed for failure in the Clinton Administration and that a lot of the hate for her was uncalled for. (Just like Marie Antoinette)

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Post Re: Clara Bruni the Modern day Marie Antoinette?
I can't think of anyone really that MA is alike to.

Certainly not Carla Bruni.

Some things about Lady Di remind me of her...raised for a purpose within an aristocratic family, wrong husband, unhappy in her rôle, tragic end, and basically a good heart, but the similarities end there.

Its' difficult to compare anyone from the 18th century with a contemporary character. We have such different lives.

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I agree that their outlook on life would be completely different from post modern women. Certainly their morals, reasoning and prejudices would suit the times they lived in. How they chose to approach issues that women encounter over all time would differ.

I agree with the parallel that can be drawn with Lady Diana Spencer.

Ugh, but they call Carla Bruni a champagne socialist, and the modern day Marie Antoinette. I simply shudder whenever I hear her name in vain. It's not new, neither are the motivations or ignorance behind it, but her reputation still needs ardent rehabilitation. The world is (potentially) in a double dip recession and I suppose public spending and 'perceived austerity' is important. The UK government wants to audit all expenses of the Royal Family, and the French don't like to hear of parties and clothes and entertainment....hmmm, sounds familiar on that level, and that only. Carla's husband has been accused of allegedly accepting large sums of undeclared donations from Liliane Bettencourt.

I wonder if the French people have a stronger critical eye of the Sarkozys because of their foreign descent. Do you think this is still a relevant prejudice in France today?

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No I don't think that's an element. They're simply anti-authority, whoever it is. However, ironically, nowhere are politicians more protected.

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Ah, I take it you are not impressed by the Sarkozy government? :wink: If the allegations of undisclosed donations are true, then yes, people disapprove but a president cannot be charged with a criminal offence whilst in term? Is this correct? I would be interested to know of the politics and law in regards to this.

There is a similar attitude in Australia - most colonies thrived on an anti-authoritarian spirit (excepting the free colony of South Australia), yet is loathe to punish national figures of celebrity, especially sportspeople. The last two generations are keen for a republic in principle but at the last referendum in 1999, constitutional monarchy remained with a slight advantage. The question always rears its head in national discussion when new leaders take the stage or a former citizen becomes the Crown Princess of Denmark, but I do not think the system will change anytime soon.

I wonder how much in the French media Carla is being blamed for this presidency's unpopularity, and whether Marie Antoinette rates a mention.

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Carla is not at all linked with Sarkozy's unpopularity (which is not that widespread an unpopularity). After all the world always forgives a pretty girl.....apart from a few notable exceptions.

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Malheuresement. :cry:

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Post Re: Clara Bruni the Modern day Marie Antoinette?
To the degree that Carla Bruni resembles any woman from our period it is far more appropriate to look around among the intelligent and beautiful mistresses of the time. She has had famous and glamorous lovers (Eric Clapton, Mick Jagger, a French philosopher) and has talents of her own. And, oh yes, is very beautiful (there's some debate as to whether MA really was).

Not to mention, she is surprisingly hungry for a woman born to wealth. Usually people this much on the make have clawed their way up from nothing.

So... Pompadour? Genlis? Sophie Arnould? Emilie de Chatelet? One of the more amorous salonieres?

Any of those would be a better comparison than MA.

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She is to me more adequately compared to Madame de Pompadour. I was once thumbing through a magazine dealing with her political influence and stumbled accross a photoshop of Quentin Latour's portrait, but of course the face was Bruni's. However, the comparison is a bit flimsy, I would not say that Mrs Bruni enjoys much political influence, and she is said to be quite politically indifferent, although apt to intervene when it comes to humanitarian matters (also in order to bolster her popularity). But even as regards to humanitarian sphere, she is far less committed that previous first ladies.

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Well, this is the photoshop I had in mind.


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Post Re: Clara Bruni the Modern day Marie Antoinette?
Délicate fleur wrote:

I wonder how much in the French media Carla is being blamed for this presidency's unpopularity, and whether Marie Antoinette rates a mention.



Actually, I would agree with Baron de Batz, Carla Bruni is not deemed responsible for her husband's unpopularity. She is often said to be very well mannered and abides by the duty of her position, although she is not very close to the French people neither by her way and level of life not by her commitments as a first lady. By and large, she is fairly popular;

At the beginning however Sarkozy's sheer decision to marry her (a rich Italian top model) after his divorce aroused criticisms and resentment.

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