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Post Re: Relationship to Mary Queen of Scots
Lilly wrote:
I do not agree with this statement at all.... Louis XVI was indecisive -
Elizabeth?? -Not so much.

Elizabeth was quite indecisive.

Not as much as Louis XVI, but she was. You can compare her reigns to those of her father you can see that she was very cautious in her policies: she spent the majority of her reign playing France and Spain against each other to prevent them from turning against England. She strung along Parliament on multiple occasions when they demanded that she marry or name a successor. She also played the same game with her many suitors; she never took any of them seriously, as she had no intention of marrying, but it sent a very important message to those who sought to move against England. When Philip of Spain was pursuing a hardline policy against the Protestants in Holland and many feared that he might go to war with England, Elizabeth considered an engagement to François, the Duc d'Anjou.

Despite being in her forties and probably incapable of having a child at that point, she still humored the match to scare Spain, making it clear that if the Habsburgs acted aggressively towards England, she might take the Duc d'Anjou as her husband and enter into an alliance with France. Yet Elizabeth also had no problem threatening France when Catherine de Médicis and the Guises were at war with the Huguenots, when she considered one of the Austrian Archdukes as a possible husband in the 1560s.

You can also see her caution and indecision in some of the military campaigns that Elizabeth untook. While she is primarily known for the defeat of the Spanish Armanda, there were plenty of debacles in the early part of her reign: she intervened in the French Religious Wars, taking Le Havre in hopes to exchange it for Calais, which had been lost in 1558. The whole mess ended in failure, when the Huguenots and Catholics joined together to retake the port from the English. Elizabeth also offered military support to the Dutch rebels, with the Earl of Leicester heading the expedition and serving as Lieutenant-General of the Netherlands. Elizabeth didn't support a concrete plan of action in the Netherlands; she had sent troops to aid the Dutch, but at the same time was negotiating with the Spanish in secret. She didn't fund her troops adequately and felt that the Dutch was trying to force her into accepting sovereignty over the Netherlands, especially when the Estates General conferred the post of Governor-General upon Leicester. Her policies in Ireland were awful as well, but considering the time in which she lived and reigned, they were understandable.

Perhaps part of it was shrewd politics on her part to prevent her from being backed into a corner, but militarily she made several grave mistakes (Le Havre and the Netherlands). Although the Armada did not invade England and suffered grave losses on the return to Spain, the English sent their own 'Armanda' to raid Spanish ports in the 1590s which was crushed not unlike the Spanish one of 1588.

"I could not of done more for my own daughter."
"Yes sire, but you could of done more for your niece."
- Louis XIV and Marie Louis d'Orléans, regarding her marriage match to the King of Spain.

Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:54 am
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Post Re: Relationship to Mary Queen of Scots
annies sis wrote:
Let's maybe just cool down a little, though. This discussion seems to be heading down a rather angry road

Not at all....I apologize that you have misunderstood. No anger whatsoever. Differing opinions does not mean anyone is angry - it makes for a lively discussion!

Elizabeth was a master at playing games with people - cautious and indecisive are two very different things. All human beings have moments of indecision - Elizabeth for the most part was very in control.

Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:12 pm
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Oh I agree with you, Lilly. Just trying to keep things light! :)

Have hope

Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:29 pm
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