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Very nice! :D

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In her old age, the Duchesse d' Angouleme was often referred to as Queen Marie-Therese by die-hard monarchists, but she was, of course, an uncrowned and exiled queen.


The duchesse d'Angoulème also was very respected by the royalists because she was the girl of the King martyrdom and Marie-Antoinette: 2 great symbols of monarchy before the revolution.

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And the duchess of Angoulême educated her nephew from the point of view which he reigns one day. The legitimists regard him as Henri V of France.

Marie-Thérèse d'Artois wasn't a queen of France, but her sister Marie-Jospèhe can be looking as a Queen.

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And the duchess of Angoulême educated her nephew from the point of view which he reigns one day. The legitimists regard him as Henri V of France.


She really wanted to be the mother of a King :D

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The count of Chambord was also very legitimate, because he was the son of the duke of Berry, who was the son of the count d'Artois and of Marie-Thérèse de Savoie. And Chambord was the nephew of the duchess d'Angoulême. :wink:

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Yes, the Comte de Chambord, also known as the Duc de Bordeaux and Henri V, was like a son to the Duchesse d'Angouleme. His wife, Marie-Therese de Modena, was also referred to as "queen" by legitimists.

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An other picture of Marie-Thérèse d'Artois, by Perrin-Salbreux.

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Thank you for all the information! :D :D

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Therese wrote:
In her old age, the Duchesse d' Angouleme was often referred to as Queen Marie-Therese by die-hard monarchists, but she was, of course, an uncrowned and exiled queen."


I think that we should considere Marie-Therese-Charlotte as a Queen of France. Her husband was only Louis XIX by some few minutes but that don't matter.

It's similar to the last Emperor of Russia. I don't know if you are familiar to Nicholas II. He abdicated to his brother, making Michael II the last Romanov Emperor of Russia.

But, by the other way, Louis-Antointe d' Angoulême wasn't coronated.. Even so, I consider him as Louis XIX, the last Bourbon ruler of France.

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That is the way I look at it, too, Jules.

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Thanks for all the info on the marriage of the Provences

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Yes, I have never read that information except on that site. Also, I read that Marie-Josephine had been told since childhood that she would marry the dauphin and be queen of France someday, which is one of the reasons that she resented Marie-Antoinette. Have any of you heard that?

Great pictures, V-A!

Yes I read that some time ago too. It doesn't shock me...Helped fuel her fire I guess.


I actually think of Marie Therese as Queen too. Afterall her husband still had to abdicate as well. So She was a Queen.

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I think that, since Marie-Thérèse d'Artois was the wife of the future King, we should considere her as a Queen. In the same way for Marie-Josèphe. But we can really considere Marie-Thérèse Charlotte as a Queen, because she was alive when her husband was a King 20 minutes ago.

The last year, I created a play on the queens of France, and I have looked these three women as queens.

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Yes but Marie-Thérèse d'Artois was already dead when Charles was coronated...I don't consider her a Queen. But Marie-Thérèse-Charlotte was indead Queen of France for 20 minutes...

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Some historians don't consider the kings not crowned as kings. As far as I'm concerned, I look Louis XIX as a King, in the same way for Madame Royale.

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To my mind the last real King is Louis XVI :wink:

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Louis XVIII, even if a "enemy" of Louis XVI and Antoinette, was a good King. He tried to rebuild a France destroyed by the Napoleonic Wars, he gave a more liberal government to the people........But even so, I understand your point of view, Louis-Charles :wink:

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